Comments on: Findings of Barcamp Berlin 3 http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/2008/10/26/findings-of-barcamp-berlin-3/ October 18th-19th, 2008 Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:18:11 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Aldo de Moor http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/2008/10/26/findings-of-barcamp-berlin-3/comment-page-1/#comment-365 Aldo de Moor Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:24:01 +0000 http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/?p=283#comment-365 Great (un)conference! I finally managed to blog about "BarCamp Berlin 3 revisited" http://communitysense.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/barcamp-berlin-3-revisited/ Great (un)conference! I finally managed to blog about “BarCamp Berlin 3 revisited”

http://communitysense.wordpress.com/2008/11/29/barcamp-berlin-3-revisited/

]]> By: BarCamp Berlin 3 revisited « Making CommunitySense http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/2008/10/26/findings-of-barcamp-berlin-3/comment-page-1/#comment-364 BarCamp Berlin 3 revisited « Making CommunitySense Sat, 29 Nov 2008 13:21:33 +0000 http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/?p=283#comment-364 [...] of the BarCamp concept, that it can live in so many different skins. I agree with the claim that “‘You are BarCamp!’ and everybody has to take part in making each edition a succe...“. My compliments to the organizers for getting this most stimulating, very well organized [...] [...] of the BarCamp concept, that it can live in so many different skins. I agree with the claim that “‘You are BarCamp!’ and everybody has to take part in making each edition a succe…“. My compliments to the organizers for getting this most stimulating, very well organized [...]

]]> By: Johannes http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/2008/10/26/findings-of-barcamp-berlin-3/comment-page-1/#comment-169 Johannes Tue, 28 Oct 2008 14:36:51 +0000 http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/?p=283#comment-169 I know what you mean. But in Berlin it felt like everybody was rushing to the front to introduce a session on Saturday morning. So I personally thought it might be good to hold back so that Sunday won't turn up empty at all ;-) Btw. I've been to the social media camp in London which was only one day and I can definitely tell you that there is whole different dynamic when you have one day or two. I don't see the problem with doing more basic sessions on the first day and then get into the meat on the second. People have to get their head into the game first before they can progress. I think that this barcamp was within the limits, too. But it nevertheless was really though to do discussion based sessions which I like the most at barcamps. If I would have known that about 50 people would show up in my session I would have prepared it much more as a talk then a discussion. But as we never had a barcamp that big it was not a mistake but a learning. And there is nothing wrong with a big barcamp you just have to adjust to it. I know what you mean. But in Berlin it felt like everybody was rushing to the front to introduce a session on Saturday morning. So I personally thought it might be good to hold back so that Sunday won’t turn up empty at all ;-)
Btw. I’ve been to the social media camp in London which was only one day and I can definitely tell you that there is whole different dynamic when you have one day or two. I don’t see the problem with doing more basic sessions on the first day and then get into the meat on the second. People have to get their head into the game first before they can progress.

I think that this barcamp was within the limits, too. But it nevertheless was really though to do discussion based sessions which I like the most at barcamps. If I would have known that about 50 people would show up in my session I would have prepared it much more as a talk then a discussion. But as we never had a barcamp that big it was not a mistake but a learning. And there is nothing wrong with a big barcamp you just have to adjust to it.

]]> By: Tobias Kaufmann http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/2008/10/26/findings-of-barcamp-berlin-3/comment-page-1/#comment-168 Tobias Kaufmann Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:00:48 +0000 http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/?p=283#comment-168 Hi Johannes, I see your point, but the reception I have noticed is a little different. The dangerous thing is in my opinion the self-fulfilling prophecy aspect. And this could absolutely be observed in Berlin. A lot of good people ONLY held a session on Sunday. I´d like to see a lot more activity on Saturdays again, maybe in the afernoon.... Regarding your question: I don´t know! I got the personal feeling that Barcamp Berlin 3 was still within the limits. A lot of networking took place and a lot of sessions too. On the other hand we did some more organisational stuff in the background, scratching a little bit on the un-conference idea. In the end it depends on the view of each camper. Hi Johannes, I see your point, but the reception I have noticed is a little different. The dangerous thing is in my opinion the self-fulfilling prophecy aspect. And this could absolutely be observed in Berlin. A lot of good people ONLY held a session on Sunday. I´d like to see a lot more activity on Saturdays again, maybe in the afernoon….

Regarding your question: I don´t know! I got the personal feeling that Barcamp Berlin 3 was still within the limits. A lot of networking took place and a lot of sessions too. On the other hand we did some more organisational stuff in the background, scratching a little bit on the un-conference idea. In the end it depends on the view of each camper.

]]> By: BarCampBerlin 3: Rückblick und Ausblick | hirnrinde.de http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/2008/10/26/findings-of-barcamp-berlin-3/comment-page-1/#comment-166 BarCampBerlin 3: Rückblick und Ausblick | hirnrinde.de Tue, 28 Oct 2008 10:15:48 +0000 http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/?p=283#comment-166 [...] Erachtens etwaige Kritik ohnehin erledigt. Oder um das Fazit von Mitorganisator Tobias Kaufmann im offiziellen BarCampBerlin3-Blog (englisch) zu zitieren: YOU ARE [...] [...] Erachtens etwaige Kritik ohnehin erledigt. Oder um das Fazit von Mitorganisator Tobias Kaufmann im offiziellen BarCampBerlin3-Blog (englisch) zu zitieren: YOU ARE [...]

]]> By: Johannes http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/2008/10/26/findings-of-barcamp-berlin-3/comment-page-1/#comment-164 Johannes Tue, 28 Oct 2008 07:24:10 +0000 http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/?p=283#comment-164 Tobi, just to let you know. The idea about the 'quality Sunday' came out of the observation that a lot of people only attend barcamp Saturdays. I have seen barcamps where the numbers dropped 50% from Saturday to Sunday. On the other hand I think that each barcamp day has its own spirit. Saturday is a lot about catching up, doing the basic sessions (like what is twitter etc.) etc. On Sundays as I said there are only the truly involved people there most of the time. So you got a bunch of really motivated people and can do more focused and forward thinking sessions. On the other hand by Sunday all the newbies got the concept of how a barcamp works and may do their own session. The sad thing is that a lot of people miss out by only attending Saturdays and this is why I'm promoting the Sunday. Not to say that Saturday sucks but to show people that a barcamp is really about BOTH days and that both days together make up the perfect mix. But I also have another question: Can a barcamp be too big? Tobi, just to let you know. The idea about the ‘quality Sunday’ came out of the observation that a lot of people only attend barcamp Saturdays. I have seen barcamps where the numbers dropped 50% from Saturday to Sunday.
On the other hand I think that each barcamp day has its own spirit. Saturday is a lot about catching up, doing the basic sessions (like what is twitter etc.) etc. On Sundays as I said there are only the truly involved people there most of the time. So you got a bunch of really motivated people and can do more focused and forward thinking sessions. On the other hand by Sunday all the newbies got the concept of how a barcamp works and may do their own session. The sad thing is that a lot of people miss out by only attending Saturdays and this is why I’m promoting the Sunday. Not to say that Saturday sucks but to show people that a barcamp is really about BOTH days and that both days together make up the perfect mix.

But I also have another question: Can a barcamp be too big?

]]> By: Andraz Tori http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/2008/10/26/findings-of-barcamp-berlin-3/comment-page-1/#comment-160 Andraz Tori Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:10:51 +0000 http://blog.barcampberlin3.org/?p=283#comment-160 Hi, I was able to be at Barcamp only on Sunday, but I have to say it was a great event! I've met many interesting people doing interesting projects! About sales pitches. I was warned: "do not make a sales pitch" and I didn't. I tried to present a quite complex topic (semantic tags). Trying to get some advanced discussion going. There was actually large audience. But considering the audience response I'd say that was a wrong decision. I felt that level at which audience was interested in things would far more call for a sales pitch. Sorry to say that... I felt the same when participating at one other presentation that tried to cover quite advanced topic. Also at both sessions there was no feedback from audience as to regard to commenting the quality of presentation. For next time, maybe leave sales pitches there, but require them to label themselves as such at the scheduling session. Then audience can decide if they want to hear it or not. A feedback system would also come handy. bye Andraz Tori Hi,

I was able to be at Barcamp only on Sunday, but I have to say it was a great event! I’ve met many interesting people doing interesting projects!

About sales pitches. I was warned: “do not make a sales pitch” and I didn’t. I tried to present a quite complex topic (semantic tags). Trying to get some advanced discussion going. There was actually large audience. But considering the audience response I’d say that was a wrong decision. I felt that level at which audience was interested in things would far more call for a sales pitch. Sorry to say that…

I felt the same when participating at one other presentation that tried to cover quite advanced topic.

Also at both sessions there was no feedback from audience as to regard to commenting the quality of presentation.

For next time, maybe leave sales pitches there, but require them to label themselves as such at the scheduling session. Then audience can decide if they want to hear it or not.

A feedback system would also come handy.

bye
Andraz Tori

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